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The Apple PCI PC Compatibility Cards:
I've only worked with 12 inch Apple 166MHz Pentium PC Compatibility Cards, so keep that in mind when following tips or observations that I have made. The Mac Dos Card forum is a great place to post your questions if you can ignore the spam. Another FAQ worth mentioning is the FAQ for the PC Compatibility cards.
Where can I find PDF manuals and user guides?
Please take the time to download the service manual even tho it's 15MB. It covers all four cards, and probably will answer most, if not all, your questions. Note, Mac users (PC users press alt), press the option key as you click on the links below to save it to your HD.
Apple's web site:
If you have a slow internet connection, you can download the service manual for all four cards in nine 2MB parts. Unstuff it with Stuffit Expander...
What type of cards did Apple make?
What cards can I install in my Mac?
There are users that have sucsessfully installed their pc cards in Biege G3s, but you can't install them in Blue & White G3s (something about power requirements)...
12 inch 100MHz card
7200, 7500, 7600, 8500, and 9500 series
7 inch 100MHz card
5400, 6400, 7200, 7500, 7600, 8500, and 9500 series
12 inch 166MHz P card
4400, 7220, 7200, 7300, 7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, and 9600 series
12 inch PR 166 card
4400/200, 7220/200 only
What OSs (operating systems) can I run on my card?
I don't have the special monitor cable needed, now what?
Video Loopback Cable pinout/wiring list
By Don Bruder - email Don - August 28, 2003
This document is applicable to the Apple "12-inch PCI PC compatibility Card" ("PCCC" from here on out) and *POSSIBLY* one or more of the Orange Micro "OrangePC", "Orange386", and similar cards. It may also apply to the 7-inch PCI PC Compatibility Card from Apple, but this has not been verified. This document has been confirmed accurate for the Video Loopback Cable supplied by Apple Computer with the PCCC card, which is, according to some sources, electrically identical to the cables shipped by Orange Micro with their cards. However, this document and the information it contains HAVE NOT been verified against an actual cable shipped with an Orange Micro product, so you should be aware that any use of the information contained herein for those cards is strictly at your own risk, and may do all kinds of weird things, including (but not limited to) blowing up your computer, card, or both...
This document DOES NOT apply to the older "Apple DOS Compatibility Card" (AKA "Houdini" and "Houdini II") products. Those cards use a completely different, four-ended cable that is not compatible with the cable described by this document. Attempting to use any of this information with those cards is not only at your own risk, but downright stupid, since you've just been told that it won't work! Any consequences of such an attempt are strictly your own to deal with and/or repair.
A big "THANK YOU!" to "Mike", whose post to the DOS Support For Macintosh forum, titled "Pinouts", supplied information vital to the creation of this document. The article "Mike" wrote is located at:
Special thanks also go out to Oliver Schubert for his assistance in verifying this document's accuracy against a real cable. For a self-proclaimed rookie at electronics, it seems to me that you did just fine, Oli!
All trade names, brands, marks and indicia are the property of their respective owners. Use of these names, brands, etc. in this document is solely for purposes of identification, and implies neither endorsement nor condemnation of the named product or company by the author and/or contributors, nor approval of the author's/contributors' efforts/results by the owner(s) of the names, brands, or marks mentioned.
And now, on with our show...
Click here to download the zipped text version.
Mon = Monitor socket on cable. Identified as "The short cable" in the PCCC installation docs. A female DB-15 connector.
PCCC = "PC Compatibility Card" video port plug. Identified as "The middle connector" in the PCCC installation docs. A male High-density (three row) 26 pin connector.
Mac = Mac video port plug on cable. Identified as "The long cable" in the PCCC installation docs. A male DB-15 connector.
PCCI = Pacific Custom Cable, Inc. - At the time of this writing, their website was at http://www.pacificcable.com. No, I'm not affiliated with them, except as an occasional customer with no complaints so far. Their part numbers are cited in this document because they were the first outfit I could locate who had all the connectors needed by someone wanting to "homebrew" one of these cables.
"In" = Into PCCC from standard Mac video port
|pin 1||pin 24||red ground|
|pin 2||pin 25||red signal|
|pin 3||pin 18||composite sync|
|pin 4||pin 5||sense zero|
|pin 5||pin 16||green signal|
|pin 6||pin 15||green ground|
|pin 7||pin 14||sense one|
|pin 8||N/C||no connection|
|pin 9||pin 7||blue signal|
|pin 10||pin 23||sense two|
|pin 11||pin 17||composite and vertical sync ground|
|pin 12||pin 26||verticle sync|
|pin 13||pin 6||blue ground|
|pin 14||pin 8||horizontal sync ground|
|pin 15||pin 9||horitontal sync|
|pin 1||Mac pin 15||horizontal sync||in|
|pin 2||Mac pin 11||c & v sync ground||in|
|pin 3||Mac pin 9||blue signal||in|
|pin 4||Mac pin 13||blue ground||in|
|pin 5||Mac pin 4, mon pin 4||sense zero||in/out|
|pin 6||Mac pin 13||blue ground||out|
|pin 7||Mac pin 9||blue signal||out|
|pin 8||Mac pin 14||h sync ground||out|
|pin 9||Mac pin 15||h sync||out|
|pin 10||Mac pin 3||c sync||in|
|pin 11||Mac pin 11||c & v sync ground||in|
|pin 12||Mac pin 5||green signal||in|
|pin 13||Mac pin 6||green ground||in|
|pin 14||Mac pin 7, mon pin 7||sense one||in/out|
|pin 15||mon pin 6||green ground||out|
|pin 16||mon pin 5||green signal||out|
|pin 17||mon pin 11||c & v sync ground||out|
|pin 18||mon pin 3||c sync||out|
|pin 19||Mac pin 12||v sync||in|
|pin 20||Mac pin 2||red signal||in|
|pin 21||Mac pin 1||red ground||in|
|pin 22||Mac pin 14||cable detect||in|
|pin 23||Mac pin 10, mon pin 10||sense two||in/out|
|pin 24||mon pin 1||red ground||out|
|pin 25||mon pin 2||red signal||out|
|pin 26||mon pin 12||v sync||out|
|pin 1||pin 21||red ground|
|pin 2||pin 20||red signal|
|pin 3||pin 10||composite sync|
|pin 4||pin 5||sense zero|
|pin 5||pin 12||green signal|
|pin 6||pin 13||green ground|
|pin 7||pin 14||sense one|
|pin 8||n/c||no connection|
|pin 9||pin 3||blue signal|
|pin 10||pin 23||sense two|
|pin 11||pin 11||composite and vertical sync ground|
|pin 12||pin 19||verticle sync|
|pin 13||pin 4||blue ground|
|pin 14||pin 22||horizontal sync ground|
|pin 15||pin 1||horizontal sync|
Can I upgrade the RAM on the card?
Yes, visit ramseeker to find the cheapest RAM on the web.
What type of RAM should I use?
Can I upgrade the processor on my card?
What is a container?
Can I use a DOS formatted HD instead of containers?
Can I use Softwindows or SoftPC containers with my card?
Another web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~strahm_s/manuals.html
Here are some key combinations that you need to know while in the PC environment:
Then you can either install Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22 if you have a floopy set (which will guide you through the whole process), or you can use the generic boot disk that I have provided for download. Below is an outline of the steps you need to follow:
How do I network the Mac and PC side at the same time?
I copied this information from http://www.helpdesk.umd.edu/os/macos/connectivity/ethernet/2534:
A PC Compatibility Card (Pentium version) can be installed into both a Power Mac 7600 and a Power Mac 8500 and successfully networked and run on both the Mac side and the Windows 95 side. Here is what to do:
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PC Setup 2.1.7f
Just a few reasons for not installing PC Setup 2.1.7f:
Your PC container may not be useable if anything goes wrong, and you'll lose all your previous work. Even if you backup your container, you will be forced to downgrade from 2.1.7f to 1.6.4 in order to access the container again. That's a pretty simple task actually, but it is bothersome.
PC Setup 2.1.7f really isn't compatible with OS 9.x. It conflicts with the "USB Support" extension that enables you to use PCI USB cards (same as 1.6.4).
Sharing folders between the Mac and PC is more unstable in 2.1.7f than in 1.6.4 (if not impossible). At least in 1.6.4 it can be accomplished, just that it's very slow. Altho in either version, you can NOT run programs on the Mac side from the PC side. You must copy it to the drive first.
Overall, 1.6.4 is more stable than 2.1.7f. It's true that it adds 32 bit support, but look at the cost. Is there really that much of an increase in productivity? Is it really worth the hassle? Only you can answer that question...
Download the PDF manual and read ALL of it before attempting to install PC Setup 2.1.7f:
It's always a good idea to make a copy of your container before and after you install anything in your PC environment. So now would be a good time to make a copy of your container. Especially since you could lose everything you've just done if you install it incorrectly. From here, you're on your own, because I could never successfully install it (we just don't get along for some reason)...but below is some general information from their web site, including the software and license code ^_^
Authorization Code and License Information:
During the installation, you will be prompted to enter an authorization code and licensing information. Enter the following information:
Below is the small FAQ they had on their web site in it's entirety:
What should I do to shut down the PC side?
The first step is to exit Windows if it is currently running. If you do not exit Windows, you will be leaving temporary files that will take up disk space. After you exit Windows, press Command-Return to switch back to the Macintosh side. When you are ready to shut down the Macintosh, follow the normal shutdown procedure.
What should I do when my DOS Compatible Mac (should be card?) freezes in Windows?
There are several troubleshooting options:
Sometimes pressing Ctrl-Alt-Delete will allow you to recover. Other times, it will restart Windows.
If that does not work, try Ctrl-Command-. (period on the keyboard). This will cold boot the DOS card while leaving the Macintosh side running.
Another possibility is to press Command-Return to switch back to the Macintosh side and then use the PC Setup Control Panel to shut down or restart the PC.
If none of these keystrokes help, restart the Macintosh with Control-Command-Reset. If this does nothing, you will have to power down the computer manually, wait 30 seconds, and then turn it back on.
My computer often freezes when I start the DOS/Windows side of my Mac. What could be causing this?
Screen savers can create conflicts with many applications that cause computers to crash in this way. Moire, among others, is a screen saver which has been shown to cause these problems. The solution is to avoid using screen savers when ever possible.
When I try to enter Windows, it brings up the splash screen, then exits back to the prompt.
This is a display conflict. Open up the PC Setup Control Panel on the Mac side. Check the display options and make sure that the selection matches your monitor. You may also need to consult your manual (look up display in the index) to see if there are other possible causes.
How do I eject diskettes and CDs in Windows?
Use the pcSetup tray icon located in the bottom right of your PC screen to eject floppy diskettes and CDs. You can also use this feature to switch between the Mac and PC. You can also eject diskettes by pressing Command-E, and CDs using Command-Y.
Do I need to do anything special to install software?
Whenever possible, use CDs to install software for DOS or Windows. If you must use diskettes, be sure that they are write-protected, and make copies (on a regular PC, using DISKCOPY) before trying to install. The installers rely on exact disk images, and the disk drive on a Macintosh DOS Compatible computer writes to the diskette if it is not write-protected.
What allocation of memory do you recommend?
We have not had many problems with memory. Our computers so far have had 4 MB SIMMs on the DOS card, but we are upgrading to 8 MB. When running Internet applications for Windows, I would recommend (1) a separate SIMM on the DOS card, and (2) that the SIMM be at least 8 MB.
The Macintosh side of the computer does not work as well as if you are using shared memory rather than separate SIMMs on each card. It seems to be slower and gets confused more easily because any memory allocated to the DOS card is used by the System. If you have 16 MB on the Mac using shared memory, and the OS sides of the computer are divided evenly, the Mac will allocate 12 MB for the system and have only 4 MB to run applications. It is the only way to allocate shared memory to the DOS card, but this gets difficult for the Mac to manage, especially in virtual memory situations.
Though most of the Windows applications that were out when the computers were released will run on 4 MB, many of the ones that you will want to run, especially by next year, will require more than this. As long as you are spending enough money to get both platforms, you should get a computer that can run Netscape 2.0 on both sides. Further, should you want to upgrade to Win95, 8 MB is a bare minimum for that OS to work well.
Is there any way to have the Internet software working on both sides without rebooting the computer?
Yes. You must use EtherTalk rather than Ethernet in the MacTCP Control Panel. In order to do this, however, you also need to have an AppleTalk Router. The Macintosh side will receive its IP address from this server, while the Windows side will use its own.
How do I create a new drive container? (What if my existing drive container is too small?)
You may find, on occasion, that you need a new drive container. If your current DOS drive is too small, you may create another one and name it Drive D. If your previous one got deleted or damaged, you may simply need to create another Drive C.
To create a drive container, open up the PC Setup control panel. In the location for the new drive container, select New Drive File from the pop-up menu. Select a location for the drive, enter a size (refer to you manual on calculation), and check the Intitialize Drive File box. If this is a bootable drive file, you will need to reinstall the PC software according to your manual.
How do I set up a modem for use on the DOS side?
In the PC Setup control panel, assign the COM port to the appropriate Macintosh Serial port. Keep in mind that items in use or reserved by the Macintosh may not be available in this menu. Further, items in use by the PC may not be available for use by the Macintosh.
Is there a way to run AppleShare in Windows?
Look into PhoneNet PC from Proxim Products. It has the ability to give Windows a Chooser and perform AppleShare activities.
How does Windows 95 or 98 work on the Macintosh/DOS Compatible machines?
Windows 95A is not compatible with pcSetup 2.1.7. If you are running Windows 95A, we recommend that you upgrade your system to Windows 95 B (OSR2) or Windows 98. It may be possible to run Windows 95A with pcSetup 2.1.7, however this configuration may not use our drivers to their optimum performance and may cause conflicts with the Windows software.
How do I know what version of Win95 is running on my PC?
In the Windows Control Panel, double-click the System icon. The General tab page will show the version of windows running on your PC. If the information sheet shows "Microsoft Windows 95 4.00.950", you have the original version of Windows 95 (Which we do not support) and you should upgrade to Windows 95B (OSR2 ). If the information sheet shows "Microsoft Windows 95 4.00.950 B", you are running the OSR2 version of Win95.
Is my computer a PCI or a NuBus machine?
All G3 computers are PCI machines.
The following Power Macintosh computers are PCI machines:
4400, 5400, 5500, 6400, 6500, 7200, 7300, 7500, 7600, 8200, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600
The following Power Macintosh computers are NuBus machines:
5200, 5300, 6100, 6200, 6300, 7100, 8100
The Orange Micro PC Cards
While you're waiting, here's some software for you to download and see if you can use. I haven't been able to do anything with my OrangePC card yet, so you're on your own for the moment: